02 Tom Berry and optimism vs. realism

Guests: Tom Berry, CJ Mena
Host: John Tessitore
Editor: Mike Esposito
Producers: John Tessitore, Mike Esposito
Musicians: L.Farber, TaiCheeba, Jaō
Photographer: Unknown

Tom Berry and his partner, CJ Mena, join John and Mike to map out the commonalities between epilepsy and mental health. Tom talks about growing up with John Kelly and the day he learned of his passing in 2011. John and Mike use the last half of the episode to debate optimism vs. realism. Check us out on Apple Podcasts, Google Play and Spotify!